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This is a simple idea I have for the combat system that would make combat MUCH more fair and fluid, and also make strategizing much easier.

The combat system:
In its current state, everyone chooses their spell and then each person gets their turn in a clockwise motion to cast their initially chosen spell which makes up a "round".
The flaw to this system is that it gives the person(s) who got to go first a huge advantage, and the person(s) chosen to go second a huge disadvantage. I will attempt to layout why in this basic example:

Lets just say person A gets to go 1st, and person B 2nd. Well person A will always have the advantage because they will always be able to react 1st to person B's spell. Whereas person B can never be proactive to person A's spells because of the AB AB AB pattern where B is left to guess what A is going to do and A can react proactively to B's previous spell because they get to go 1st each round see?

"Card Choosing"
Person A chooses a blade power up to boost their next spell
Person B chooses whatever(it doesn't matter)
"Round is executed"
Well now person B is going well oh dang they casted a blade card and are likely going to cast something powerful in conjunction with it. But theres nothing they can do because at the beginning of the next round person A gets to go 1st again.

Now lets switch it up
"Card choosing"
Person A chooses whatever(it doesn't matter)
Person B chooses a blade power up to boost their next spell
"Round is executed"

Well since person A gets to go 1st each round they can go "aha a blade card, their next spell is probably going to hurt" and then proactively cast a shield card.
(there are countless situations beyond just this basic example where this advantage applies)

So hopefully you see what I mean. The simple solution to this?

Make it to where each person cast their spell immediately after choosing it instead of everyone choosing spells and then the round being executed without stop.

This would make it to where everybody regardless of who went 1st or 2nd could play and strategize off the previous players move. This would make the combat in general much more fluid and much much more fair.

Think of if this current combat system applied to chess. Where each player chose where they wanted to move, and then the pieces both moved one after the other in a "round". It would completely break and destroy efforts to strategize in such a game, much in the same way I feel it sort of breaks combat in the current state of Wizard 101.

For "damage over round" spells. A round could still be determined by the dial making a complete circle.

And as for teams being able to see what each other were doing. Just simply make it to where one team chooses all their spells and then casted them all in a clockwise motion. And then the other team gets their turn. Instead of everyone choosing at once.

I really put a lot of work into this post hehe. So I would definitely appreciate some feedback as to what everyone thinks. And some feedback from an administrator would be GREATLY appreciated. Thanks all, and good luck on your adventures!

Where as you do have some arguable points, i do not think that your system will work well. If you cast it immediately as chosen, everyone will be throwing spells non stop. And the players are so used to the system, to change it now wouldnt it wellm with wizards.

And remember, fizzle is an enemy, but can also be a friend.


BurntIce,
Level 23 Necro

Medivh wrote:

This is a simple idea I have for the combat system that would make combat MUCH more fair and fluid, and also make strategizing much easier.

The combat system:
In its current state, everyone chooses their spell and then each person gets their turn in a clockwise motion to cast their initially chosen spell which makes up a "round".
The flaw to this system is that it gives the person(s) who got to go first a huge advantage, and the person(s) chosen to go second a huge disadvantage. I will attempt to layout why in this basic example:

Lets just say person A gets to go 1st, and person B 2nd. Well person A will always have the advantage because they will always be able to react 1st to person B's spell. Whereas person B can never be proactive to person A's spells because of the AB AB AB pattern where B is left to guess what A is going to do and A can react proactively to B's previous spell because they get to go 1st each round see?

"Card Choosing"
Person A chooses a blade power up to boost their next spell
Person B chooses whatever(it doesn't matter)
"Round is executed"
Well now person B is going well oh dang they casted a blade card and are likely going to cast something powerful in conjunction with it. But theres nothing they can do because at the beginning of the next round person A gets to go 1st again.

Now lets switch it up
"Card choosing"
Person A chooses whatever(it doesn't matter)
Person B chooses a blade power up to boost their next spell
"Round is executed"

Well since person A gets to go 1st each round they can go "aha a blade card, their next spell is probably going to hurt" and then proactively cast a shield card.
(there are countless situations beyond just this basic example where this advantage applies)

So hopefully you see what I mean. The simple solution to this?

Make it to where each person cast their spell immediately after choosing it instead of everyone choosing spells and then the round being executed without stop.

This would make it to where everybody regardless of who went 1st or 2nd could play and strategize off the previous players move. This would make the combat in general much more fluid and much much more fair.

Think of if this current combat system applied to chess. Where each player chose where they wanted to move, and then the pieces both moved one after the other in a "round". It would completely break and destroy efforts to strategize in such a game, much in the same way I feel it sort of breaks combat in the current state of Wizard 101.

For "damage over round" spells. A round could still be determined by the dial making a complete circle.

And as for teams being able to see what each other were doing. Just simply make it to where one team chooses all their spells and then casted them all in a clockwise motion. And then the other team gets their turn. Instead of everyone choosing at once.

I really put a lot of work into this post hehe. So I would definitely appreciate some feedback as to what everyone thinks. And some feedback from an administrator would be GREATLY appreciated. Thanks all, and good luck on your adventures!

Personally I dont see this as a major issue. This is more of a problem where people are not paying attention to thier other players instead of a flaw in the system.

I have been playing this game on multiple wizards with the same people and all that needs to be done is for all the players to pay attention to the little "circle" below the co players names. This tells you what they are casting that round. This way you dont double up attacking the same person.

We have never had an issue with this... The only issue we have is when someone else jumps in our battle and ignores what others are playing and uses shields just because they are there and dont take into account there may be a reason its there.

If players can start paying attention to the game and not just what they are doing, this wouldnt be an issue at all...

Heather Ravelblood
Level 50 - Death/Life

I disagree with having a casting phase for each person instead of each turn. What I do think would make a lot more sense, however, is to have a casting phase for each TEAM instead of one per turn.

Refer to this thread for more info https://www.wizard101.com/site/posts/list/3304.ftl

ashbaer wrote:

Medivh wrote:

This is a simple idea I have for the combat system that would make combat MUCH more fair and fluid, and also make strategizing much easier.

The combat system:
In its current state, everyone chooses their spell and then each person gets their turn in a clockwise motion to cast their initially chosen spell which makes up a "round".
The flaw to this system is that it gives the person(s) who got to go first a huge advantage, and the person(s) chosen to go second a huge disadvantage. I will attempt to layout why in this basic example:

Lets just say person A gets to go 1st, and person B 2nd. Well person A will always have the advantage because they will always be able to react 1st to person B's spell. Whereas person B can never be proactive to person A's spells because of the AB AB AB pattern where B is left to guess what A is going to do and A can react proactively to B's previous spell because they get to go 1st each round see?

"Card Choosing"
Person A chooses a blade power up to boost their next spell
Person B chooses whatever(it doesn't matter)
"Round is executed"
Well now person B is going well oh dang they casted a blade card and are likely going to cast something powerful in conjunction with it. But theres nothing they can do because at the beginning of the next round person A gets to go 1st again.

Now lets switch it up
"Card choosing"
Person A chooses whatever(it doesn't matter)
Person B chooses a blade power up to boost their next spell
"Round is executed"

Well since person A gets to go 1st each round they can go "aha a blade card, their next spell is probably going to hurt" and then proactively cast a shield card.
(there are countless situations beyond just this basic example where this advantage applies)

So hopefully you see what I mean. The simple solution to this?

Make it to where each person cast their spell immediately after choosing it instead of everyone choosing spells and then the round being executed without stop.

This would make it to where everybody regardless of who went 1st or 2nd could play and strategize off the previous players move. This would make the combat in general much more fluid and much much more fair.

Think of if this current combat system applied to chess. Where each player chose where they wanted to move, and then the pieces both moved one after the other in a "round". It would completely break and destroy efforts to strategize in such a game, much in the same way I feel it sort of breaks combat in the current state of Wizard 101.

For "damage over round" spells. A round could still be determined by the dial making a complete circle.

And as for teams being able to see what each other were doing. Just simply make it to where one team chooses all their spells and then casted them all in a clockwise motion. And then the other team gets their turn. Instead of everyone choosing at once.

I really put a lot of work into this post hehe. So I would definitely appreciate some feedback as to what everyone thinks. And some feedback from an administrator would be GREATLY appreciated. Thanks all, and good luck on your adventures!

Personally I dont see this as a major issue. This is more of a problem where people are not paying attention to thier other players instead of a flaw in the system.

I have been playing this game on multiple wizards with the same people and all that needs to be done is for all the players to pay attention to the little "circle" below the co players names. This tells you what they are casting that round. This way you dont double up attacking the same person.

We have never had an issue with this... The only issue we have is when someone else jumps in our battle and ignores what others are playing and uses shields just because they are there and dont take into account there may be a reason its there.

If players can start paying attention to the game and not just what they are doing, this wouldnt be an issue at all...

Heather Ravelblood
Level 50 - Death/Life

this isnt really relevant to what i was saying hehe
err I don't think you quite understand what I was saying maybe? :?

I agree with having each side take respective turns, in response to their opposing sides.

I can't tell you how many times an opposing side (that went before me) cast a shield that rendered the attack I casted that same turn useless, using up all the charms and wards I carefully spent so many turns setting up. I wouldn't mind it if I had time to react to this, because in most cases, if I could react to it, it wouldn't waste all my charms and wards.

Not to mention that it would use up one of my attack cards and I only put so many into my deck, forcing me to use a treasure card.